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 Post subject: Re: Election is only 2 days away
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:01 am 
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The Obama deception. If this doesn't look like Hitler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw


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The Obama deception. If this doesn't look like Hitler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:06 am 
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Kickstand wrote:
I would imagine the RV sales and service biz is tough right now.

Do you sell RV's? If so, what kind? (I'm just curious)



I sell towable products, Arctic Fox, Nash, Desert Fox (toy haulers), and Fox Mountain 5th-wheels, plus Sunnybrook products and some used units. Got out of the motorized sales during the gas crunch in the early 80's. I've been doing this since 1975, never seen it as bad as it has been the last 4 years.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:49 am 
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dlowry wrote:
I sell towable products, Arctic Fox, Nash, Desert Fox (toy haulers), and Fox Mountain 5th-wheels, plus Sunnybrook products and some used units. Got out of the motorized sales during the gas crunch in the early 80's. I've been doing this since 1975, never seen it as bad as it has been the last 4 years.


Even though the media keeps telling us that the country is not in a recession, I think it is. There are high end diesel pushers selling cheap (or so I am told). I am refering to the Prevost conversions. I would think the towable toy hauler stuff would endure the economy better than the regular RV due to the price and versatility... but i am no expert.

SINCE 1975... you have been in that industry since I was in Elementry. :icon_cool_too:


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:45 am 
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Kickstand wrote:
dlowry wrote:
I sell towable products, Arctic Fox, Nash, Desert Fox (toy haulers), and Fox Mountain 5th-wheels, plus Sunnybrook products and some used units. Got out of the motorized sales during the gas crunch in the early 80's. I've been doing this since 1975, never seen it as bad as it has been the last 4 years.


Even though the media keeps telling us that the country is not in a recession, I think it is. There are high end diesel pushers selling cheap (or so I am told). I am refering to the Prevost conversions. I would think the towable toy hauler stuff would endure the economy better than the regular RV due to the price and versatility... but i am no expert.

SINCE 1975... you have been in that industry since I was in Elementry. :icon_cool_too:


You are right on both counts, Kickstand. The motorized products, including high end, have taken the biggest hit. I do dealer only RV auctions every month. Most class A motorhomes are bringing about 30% under wholesale, some more. But it surprizes me at these auctions that they are even selling. Prices run from 100K to 180K on the upper line units, and I'm thinking, who has the money to buy these when the dealer gets them on their lot? Used toy haulers have always remained strong. I'm paying close to retail for nice clean units. The problem is, new sales have been so slow for the past 4 of 5 years, that the supply of used trade-ins is down and the demand is up. Same goes for smaller travel trailers and 5th-wheels.

Sort of getting off topic here, but it does boil down to election results. People just don't have the confidence to spend money. This is a great time to do it. Interest rates are the lowest I can remember. Finance companys really want to loan money, but need better qualifing buyers than before. Crazy business!!


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:53 am 
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Eddieblz wrote:
The Obama deception. If this doesn't look like Hitler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw


The infowars guy usually has compelling information, then he goes way out in left field. I watched one of his shows and I was almost hooked until he went into the boyscouts being trained to deal with veterans.... somethng like that. Some stuff is used as counterintelligence. In the case of information, you mix enough truth with lies so that when the lies are discovered it cast enough doubt on the truth that people don't know what to believe.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:23 pm 
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Kickstand wrote:
In the case of information, you mix enough truth with lies so that when the lies are discovered it cast enough doubt on the truth that people don't know what to believe.

Or basically what the negative ads did to Romney


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:57 pm 
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Kickstand wrote:
Eddieblz wrote:
The Obama deception. If this doesn't look like Hitler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw


The infowars guy usually has compelling information, then he goes way out in left field. I watched one of his shows and I was almost hooked until he went into the boyscouts being trained to deal with veterans.... somethng like that. Some stuff is used as counterintelligence. In the case of information, you mix enough truth with lies so that when the lies are discovered it cast enough doubt on the truth that people don't know what to believe.


I not really hooked but with all media today, this video has it's truth mixed with it's lie's creating a pretty entertaining couple of hours.


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