cwebster4, good to see you haven't left.LOL

RK I agree with you I am tired of the BS. BI you don't need to apologize for Tourist.

I don't even know who you are, so how could I imply anything that pertains to you?

This is a very simple idea. It's like being "a little bit pregnant."

Either you have been awarded colors by a club, or you bought yours. Period. Answer this honestly, what did you first think when you saw a guy strutting around in SOA 'colors'?

Edit: BTW, you were the one who first asked the question, it just sounds like you don't care for the answer. But consider this, I gave you a polite answer in a hobbyist forum. In some areas you would be confronted. I dislike the practice, but some outlaws are completely humorless on the topic. They believe it's a mockery. I could have said nothing, or told you it was a great idea. As for honoring a vet, why not just wear the traditional MIA/POW patch or fly that black flag on the back of your bike? Why the hokey colors?

I notice the "Turdist" didn't answer the question of serving in the military... Hmmm...
I think the whole colors thing he talks about from 35 years ago is all he has and ever will have.
I feel sorry for a "boy" like that, he never got to grow up to become a man. Is that why he likes to be in the company of men?
He needs his 15 "BROs" to fight his battles just like the drunken townies he is always talking about.
I have no respect for a person that hides behind his friends and then talks his walk... I call that a "Drama Queen".

I also feel that BI has all the right intentions just the wrong friend. Sorry BI - no disrespect, I truly would love the share the road with a motorcyclist of your caliber.

As for cwebster4, good on you my friend!! Glad to see you back... Good On YOU!!

Tourist has you blocked to as posted.

I'm not apologizing for Tourist, I'm trying to show you,RK and now Cwebster that you're turning this into a typical forum where go with the group think or face the wrath of the popular kids on the particular forum du jour. While Tourists post may not be popular its high school when people can't agree to disagree and move on.

RK..while I appreciate your kind words towards me, its a cheap shot against the Tourist and that makes you rubbing elbows with key board commando's. You're better than that. You being called a drama queen is a legitimate description of behavior that is exagerated. You're name that you called Tourist is what?

You guys have Tourist all wrong and inadvertantly are showing who the real bullies are. And its a stacked deck. If Tourist is hiding behind his friends then what does that say about you being a bully behind a key board?

Tourist is a good friend. He speaks his mind in earnest. I understand what he says as do many others. Your dislike of Tourist is a reflection of a weakness in your character. The pity pendulum swings both ways.

CWebster, good for you for coming back and speaking your mind. Stay and continue. Now perhaps you and Tourist can dialogue and get to know each other better. Just because you came here and asked politely, you did ask an opinion, you didn't ask to have smoke blowed up your arse.

CWebster...you served during peace time..yes you served and are a veteran but those who served during peace time were never in harms way. While there is a modicum of psychological and emotional duress of the politcal strife during peace time because Generals and Colonels had too much time on their hands...no ones lost a leg because of it. There is a reason those who served during peacetime cannot get a membership in a Legion they make no bones about the difference....lets not make more out of it then it really was. Anyone can get thru basic unless you're a retard and some of those got in to..shame on recruiters and their quota's. Be proud of your service time because it is an accomplishment to get that honorable D/C in the service of your country but peacetime is way different then being a combat vet by leaps and bounds. They gave some and some gave all............

BI63, at this point I think the best way to win the debate is to let these guys live with their own decisions. My guess is that they're not going to change, and at some point you just have to let them live with their decisions.

RK is a "golden child." This is the way they act. If HeadMaster sells the forum or just starts riding with different folks he's going to find out that he is 'permitted' to have his opinions because of the power of someone else. Anywhere else but here he would have banned long ago.

As for Cwebster, sooner or later he's going to talk to others in our fold. Like that silly cyber club, he'll find out that he got prudent advice. BTW, speaking of that cyber club, they are now more careful. They did take steps to form as a legitimate club. They should have done that from step one.

Ya' know, we could have done nothing. There would have been a lot less heat if we had ignored Cwebster's request about a SOA mentality and just him deal with guys he meets on the road. Somehow that seems kind of cruel to me, but perhaps it's best to let these guys just enter motorcycling any way they want, and if brings problems it's a good lesson.

So RK and Cwebster, you're adults, live your lives. However, just like anyone else you will be held accountable for your actions.

Edit: I don't think there's a way to participate in this debate responsibly without bringin heat on yourself. If older bikers suggest caution we run the risk of getting insulted for "trampling some guy's freedom." However, you know that if one of our members runs into a club with a strict policy about foreign colors on their turf, and the member gets severely beaten, then those same critics will trumpet, "Hey, the Tourist should have warned him."

I think that's going to be my new policy. Everybody knows how I feel about RUBs using fake colors. My guess is that if you use the search engine here all of the posts will pop up, it's been discussed enough. From this moment forward I will no longer post on the subject of false flags. However, if a guy gets into trouble, I don't want to hear about that, either.

Hopefully we can all meet up some day and put all this to bed one way or another. No threatening comments by anyone please. My post is trying to extend an olive branch of good will.

And I'm glad you do things like that. As I've said many times before, numerous guys here think of you as "the heart of HRF," and your actions on this clearly show that talent.

But every top has a bottom. There will always be segments in any hobby that are ticklish to handle. This is one of them. We would all like the entire biking world to "one band of brothers," but we are not. While I thought the movie 'Wild Hogs' was a waste of time, at least it showed some of the problems/opinions we face.

And BTW (and for the 20th time) I am dead serious about the handle 'tourist.' In many ways I face the same issues in motorcycling as a singular rider. I do not live the lifestyle anymore, I live in suburbia. But I do the newbs no favor if I sit silent on some issues.

To me, this issue is dead. And like the "real biker" threads, topics of flying false colors should be deleted immediately. You can use a search engine and the subject causes fights. I think it's irresponsible not to act, but sooner of later a guy has to think of his own welfare, and that time has come for me.

Summer is coming, and within a few weeks none of us is going to care about embroidered patches. But like all things, "Am I my brother's keeper?" Apparently not.