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 Post subject: Back patches (advice)
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:15 am 
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Okay, so I've done all my due diligence and researched the whole idea of back patches (and yes I might add it all got me a bit worried about pissing off 1%ers). I'm attaching the pic of the back of a jacket with a three-patch layout and wondering if anybody has any idea whether the use of these rockers with the POW-MIA patch will offend the MC community. There is no Location bottom rocker... it is all just what I believe is a nice layout to express support for an issue near and very dear to my heart.


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 Post subject: Re: Back patches (advice)
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:50 am 
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What a sad commentary on life, when a motorcyclist has to ask a question like this.
First, as you stated, there is no region/state bottom rocker.
Second there is no club affiliation.
IMHO- you shouldn't have any problems.
So does this mean some one won't have a problem? One can never tell, but think about this: IF it wasn't for our fallen heroes none of us would have the freedom to ride anything.
FREEDOM ISN'T FREE
I support your cause, and hope with all my heart that anyone that sets eyes on that jacket has the sense to respect.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:32 am 
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roadking wrote:
What a sad commentary on life, when a motorcyclist has to ask a question like this.
First, as you stated, there is no region/state bottom rocker.
Second there is no club affiliation.
IMHO- you shouldn't have any problems.
So does this mean some one won't have a problem? One can never tell, but think about this: IF it wasn't for our fallen heroes none of us would have the freedom to ride anything.
FREEDOM ISN'T FREE
I support your cause, and hope with all my heart that anyone that sets eyes on that jacket has the sense to respect.
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 Post subject: Re: Back patches (advice)
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:28 pm 
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I don't see a "violence" problem with the issue, in so far as you're not pretending to be anything you're not. In fact, veterans' clubs in my area are quite well respected.

But I do have to point out the idea of the "three-patch-rocker" design. Of all of the ways and means you can sew embroidery to a jean jacket, why does it have to mimic a club, any club?

Somewhere out there is a real club with rockers and their 'colors' are black and white. That particular club might 'take umbrage' assuming you implied disrespect. Why bother?

I see lots of guys with the traditional POW/MIA patch sewn somewhere on a vest. No biggee. I guess you have to ask yourself if this is really worth the problems. But it doesn't make a lot of sense to state respect for some while you denigrate others.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:53 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:39 am 
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The problem isn't with the rags, it's the mindset. My feeling is that posers wouldn't like the game of turn-about.

Consider the issue on something as simple as naming a football team. One Native American group used 'The Redskins' in such an analogy. Clearly they were right, the entire nation would not tolerate an NFL team named 'The Blackskins.'

Same deal here. The rags seem to mean nothing to posers because they have nothing invested in the overall condition, hence 'rags' are just rags. Their opinion would change in an instant if a bike club near a school zone would start up called "The Child Molesters," no matter what state the bottom rocker reflected. And BTW, there is a biker named 'Charger Charlie the Child Molester.' Not so funny now, is it?

If you want rags, why not go join a real club? These posers knew from the git-go that the three-patch-rocker design is the standard design of clubs. And how can a guy who strives so hard to look like his 1960s grandfather's bike club fail to miss that?

The answer is clear. He likes to do this to real bikers, but he wouldn't tolerate the same cavalier attitude about something he loves. Maybe this 'I support the troops' idea will work.

And as we discuss this idea of turn-about, here's another change in our point of view. Ya' know, my opinion has changed, as well. I take a lot of heat for defending the value of colors in of all places, a motorcycle forum. So here's my final word on the subject: Go wear them, wear them everywhere. Wear them to Sturgis, wear them to known MC hang-outs. After all, you don't care about other folks, you only care about your own ego and trading upon the lives of guys who earned their rags.

Go find an Angel, or a Pagan, or a Mongol and tell him you mean no disrespect, but you like the design and you are not concerned about hundreds of thousands of guys who rode prospect or FOC and buried a few of their brothers. Call him 'bro.'

After physical therapy, rehab, a burnt motorcycle and your shiny new dentures, come back and write about your experiences in a world where "colors don't matter."


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:52 am 
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I got nothing more to add because I figure if the wearer is willing to suffer the consequences and not just the benefits that'll be all that needs to be said.

Life has a way of teaching lessons that far out way anything anyone can say. Besides as another poster already alluded to...the history,tradition and what many have vested in an actual factual real deal 3 piece patch...it means nothing to most who want to play make believe just because they think thats what goes hand in hand with owning a Harley.

Anyones words of fore warning fall on deaf ears. Further, the speaker of the words of fore warning and fact based input only look and sound like a fool to the multitude of the know it alls. Sometimes folks just have to learn the hard way. I say let them. Fock it. No skin off'n my back.

Heres the consequences of someone innocently purchasing a Hells Angel tee shirt because he thought it was cool. On his way home he stopped for a bite to eat. One problem...unbeknownst to the wearer of the cool Hells Angels t shirt he just happened to accidently stop at a Outlaws MC hang out. The kid was from Connecticut he didn't know anything about Manchester,NH or that the outlaws had a chapter in Raymond,NH. In his case he gave all to wear a Hells Angels t shirt because he thought it looked cool:

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:57 am 
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I agree with RK when he said, "What a sad commentary on life, when a motorcyclist has to ask a question like this." and in a perfect world we shouldn't have to worry. But this isn't a perfect world. This is where I have to agree with BI and Tourist. Someone is bound to have a problem with it. Which is really sad. I was a graphic artist for 15 years and I've been thinking of having some of my old drawings silk screened some of my riding close. I would put it on in such a way like maybe you would get a tshirt with a catchy design on it at JCP. Not in a way that it would resemble some new MC club. I've even been hesitating to do that. I didn't join a club in my youth. I'm not going to play like I'm in one now. But that's just me. I don't see anything wrong with your patches and there really shouldn't be anything wrong with them. There making a very honorable statement. But you've got to remember we'er living in a very dishonorable world.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:06 am 
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I got the point. Thank you. I wanted the feedback, and you all have brought up things that just did not come to my feeble mind.
As a quick note: I understand the whole "colors" thing and that's why I asked about the set-up. I admit to ignorance when I purchased the items with the idea of creating something that people who recognize as I rode around on my bike from one event or location to another. I sincerely did do the due diligence about the subject, and got my head spinning with all the "advise" and other stuff out there on the subject. But let's get something else straight: I take offense to the assumption that I'm sort of "poser" because I asked this question and the layout isn't "right" It has always been my assertion that the less-learned can only learn from the learned, therefore I turned to the much more educated forum for advice. My "rags" aren't meant to offend anyone. I've worn a jean jacket pretty much my entire life, although I did wear my Army jacket a lot too after I got out in 1982... I guess I was posing wearing that "rag" too. My "rags" were intended to be a way to fly my own individual cause (My colors if you will) so that the people around me can see the image and maybe go Google it and find out more. I purposefully left out any location because I learned it was frowned upon, and I was trying not to be disrespectful. But now I'm being disrepected (I hate that word as an adjective) because I dared to seek out advice. I understand those MC members worked and toiled to get their colors and I wouldn't want to take that away from them any more than I would ever expect to see someone try to take away my time in the U.S. Army as a badge of honor in my own mind and the minds of many. So 1%ers can piss and moan about a POW-MIA patch because it just happens to be the same black and white of their own club colors, and they can kick my ass over and over again? Good to know. Am I expected to believe 1%ers are unpatriotic and unwilling to recognize that other bikers, riders, RUBs, posers or whatever you want to label me and others, can't attempt to use their backs to display their respect for the fallen veterans of past wars who never returned? Geez, are we really that dislocated and disjointed? I've known a great many MC members over the years, and not once did I every hear one of them ever say veterans don't get consideration, or that a simple POW-MIA patch deserves special consideration for an ass-whoopin'. As for the patch itself, I have smaller versions but wanted something that really made people notice. I found the larger patch by accident, and coupled it with the rockers because they forced the person looking at it to think -- that's all I was trying to do -- make people think. I'm concerned that our government has abandoned thousands of men in war zones over the years despite information that suggests any number of those men are still alive, or were at least alive long after the government declared the war was over. But my bad because I might piss off a 1%er with my declaration and demands that my country needs to do something about my cause. So thank you, I appreciate all the advice. I got my answer.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:09 am 
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Eddieblz wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with your patches and there really shouldn't be anything wrong with them. There making a very honorable statement. But you've got to remember we'er living in a very dishonorable world.


Thank you, and understood. I appreciate all the advice I have been given. I believe I have my answer now.


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